7 dead in florida interstate crash

"farscythe - makin da cawfee!" (farscythe) 01/04/2019 at 00:32 • Filed to: None

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and the police have started a homicide investigation?

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im guessing homicide is not normally bandied about for crashes over there?

lone_liberal > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 00:54

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Usually not  unless there is something like a drunk driver involved.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > lone_liberal 01/04/2019 at 00:58

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makes sense.. i dont think any of the drivers walked away from this one tho

WilliamsSW > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 01:06

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Maybe a road rage incident? You’re right, they don’t usually investigate crashes as homicides here. 

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > WilliamsSW 01/04/2019 at 01:11

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hrm... guess ill wait for updates... but yeah... pretty bad if this turns out to be somehow intentional.. (maybe the end result wasnt... but you know what i mean)

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 01:21

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In my region, the term homicide investigation isn’t usually used quite like this in relation to a traffic accident , but what happens is a forensic investigation of the crash scene that will allow a theoretical reconstruction of what happened. The crash site is treated as major crime scene, and will be forensically documented. Everything will be measured, photographed and documented (down to, piece of plastic debris x size by y size found in z position 134 inches from whatever measuring point. They’ll collect witness statements from anyone they can find that had anything to do with the accident including what first responders saw and did. All remains of vehicles will be impounded as evidence and  forensically investigated . As part of that, they’ll recover all data they can from systems on the vehicles, and they’ll forensically investigate the electronic devices of folks involved and/or subpoena location and activity information from cell service providers of folks involved (all trying to get as complete an understanding of what everyone was doing at the time of and leading up the incident ). Full autopsies will be done on deceased persons including toxicological analysis.

This kind of investigation can form the basis of serious criminal charges for folks involved. Loss of life and sometimes serious, life threatening injuries are the usual triggers for an investigation like this. When it happens, it means for the traveling public that the entire road an accident scene is on is going to be closed for a minimum of many hours, and possibly days on a big enough scene.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 01/04/2019 at 01:33

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thanks  

tbh it popped up on my local newsfeed all the way over here in the netherlands... so im thinking either something more than the regular investigation + possible charges is going on

or... stuff got lost in translation and my local news got over excited

facw > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 01:52

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Truck drivers can walk away from a lot. Things hit by trucks, not so much.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > facw 01/04/2019 at 02:00

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this is true... 

Derpwagon > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 03:17

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Homicide just means a person caused another person to die, even if it was an accident. Murder would be the intentional killing of another. They likely stated a homicide investigation because there were fatalities and they believe someone may be at fault for it. Even if it was accidental, you can still be charged for negligent homicide.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 05:19

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Indeed, much more than a regular traffic investigation.  Usually this kind of thing gets called a forensic reconstruction in the press.  I could see how that gets translated to homicide investigation.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 06:48

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Quick prediction, two asshole truck drivers were having an elephant race for 6 miles, someone got impatient, did something wreckless to get by. I’ve seen it happen before, minus the wrecks. Truck drivers are becoming the absolute worst. 

WilliamsSW > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 07:35

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Right- a tragedy any way you slice it, and they’re saying that several children were among the dead. Senseless. 

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 01/04/2019 at 08:20

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tbh the american news calls it a homicide investigation

dutch news called it a murder investigation

ergo...i am confused

TheRealBicycleBuck > Derpwagon 01/04/2019 at 08:43

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Homicide is a more technical term for murder. Same thing. It means there was intent to kill.

Manslaughter means that there was intent to cause harm to property or persons and someone died. There was no intent to cause death.

Accident means there was no intent at all. It just happened because of inattentiveness, bad driving skills, etc.

DipodomysDeserti > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/04/2019 at 09:48

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There is usually a homicide investigation after a fatal car crash in order to see if someone was responsible for the crash (driving under the influence, wrong way driver, wreckless driving...). Really the only time you usually won’t see a homicide investigation in a fatal accident is if it’s a single car wreck.

A homicide doesn’t mean murder charges will follow. Even if the death was from an accident, most (all?) US states have manslaughter legislation for when someone unintentionally kills  another person  because of wreckless behavior.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > DipodomysDeserti 01/04/2019 at 10:20

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got it.. tbh my local news calling it a murder investigation was what was confusing me... thinking something got lost in translation there

facw > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 01/05/2019 at 00:40

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Some more information: https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/01/04/van-full-children-was-headed-disney-world-then-deadly-ball-flames/

No real information about who caused the collision though, or whether they suspect DUI or similar. Without knowing any specifics about the van in the crash, church buses have a reputation for being old and poorly maintained, though pretty much any passenger vehicle smaller than a bus is going to be obliterated in a head-on collision with a semi regardless of age or how well it is taken care of . The speculation that some occupants were ejected is troubling because that shouldn’t happen to belted passengers (they didn’t say which vehicle the people were ejected from).

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > facw 01/05/2019 at 06:22

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aah...jumped the guardrail... now it makes sense... and of course the kids were headed to disney world...

sad all round... thanks for the update

Derpwagon > TheRealBicycleBuck 01/05/2019 at 17:43

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It’s actually not the same thing. You're also incorrect about manslaughter,  but you do you.